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Its true that women were more idiots than about men, they had the impression that if they caught a fool to take them as wives, they would settle for life, even today we see that but more diluted, still an exaggerated reason for murder. I THINK THEY SHOULD REOPEN THIS CASE AND LOOK AT THE HUSBAND JUST SAYING BUT IN MY HEART AND MIND FROM READING ALL THE NOTES AND STUFF PATRICA IS NOT GUILTY AND THEY NEED TO SET HER FREE. The girls mother, Patricia Said, fled with both girls in the week before their killings because she was in great fear of her life, police said. "This was not a sudden or impetuous act on your part. A man normally wouldnt care about killing a child, but a woman normally would have some kind of abhorrence to harming an innocent child. The womans disappearance became a missing person case with the Ross Township Police Department that sat on the shelf, lacking progress, for decades. Dont even think about arguing with me until they DNA test that hair and the broken fingernail found on her body; Ill just laugh at you. The missing hairs probably got destroyed in testing.. thats how they test them.. and reports are wrong all the time. WebThe prosecution said Patricia wanted Jeromes $30,000 life insurance policy. It was like living in your room and getting to go to your kitchen for one hour a day, remembers Larry Wright. I deduced my opinion to be fact because of what Ive read and seen and is supported by evidence which was never disclosed at her trial. Flaw in reasoning. Remembering Patricia Cole, former copy editor at NPR : NPR What a contrived case! All rights reserved. If you can tear yourself away from your obsessive mentality, you can see what virtually amounts to the tampering to which I referred. Plus a FB group that I was in included some people who grew up with her and they confirmed that she was indeed a horrible mean person who was easily enraged and always looking for a fight. I wonder, did they ever perform a DNA test on the baby, to verify paternity? We can help by getting the word out, by bringing a lot more support to a case that is so insanely bizarre, said Geri Silva. The organization purports that if there were awards for distorted reporting, the Morning Callwould win high honors.. 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Judges may have the discretion to reduce a felony in a wobbler case to a misdemeanor. Joanne wouldnt have fought back as she was shot therefore almost immediately incapacitating her and was holding her son. Patricia Rorrer Forensic Files Now It was a very big shock to see to know that she was still alive. You should be ashamed of yourself. I agree. Sorry, I must have missed your name on the witness list. As for the murder weapon, police didnt find a .22 caliber pistol on Patricias property, but an ex-boyfriend claimed that she owned one and it would always jam after one shot. The criminal, a crazy with a psychotic crush on a man, the planner a individual with a lot of self esteem and narcissistic charm who can persuade women, was rich thought compared to the individual in this case, and the victim, a woman who saw her life only as a wife and mother and had no other pretensions, and that even if she had threatened the individual that she would leave a few times, she always stayed. Perhaps youre not aware, there was a great deal of evidence of which these documentaries made no mention, as well as misdeeds and incidents of corruption perpetrated by the cops. She is legally blind, has stage four cancer that has spread to her breasts and her brain, causing her to lose control of her bodily functions, leaving her diapered, and has been given six months to live. Nine. If you subscribe to Hulu and upgrade to Starz (theres a free one-week trial offer), you can stream the Wrong Man episodes about Patricia Rorrer. Prosecution leader McIntyre, when interviewed, laughingly dismissed him as a nut in an effort to trivialise Traupmans input. This woman killed and is where she belongs! If you have ever met or been in a relationship with a narcissist, the former partner being with a more young and attractive-looking person would make them go off. In 2016, Oklahoma police arrested the mother, Patricia Spann, now 44, and her 26-year-old daughter, Misty Velvet Dawn Spann, charging both of them with incest. She is right where she belongs for now until she meets satan in the fury of hell. They released a poster of Joann and Alex, noting that the baby had almond-shaped blue eyes, weighed 18 pounds, and was circumcised. Now retired, he declined ForensicFilesNow.coms invitation to spar directly with Patricia via a podcast. Yes, that doesnt mean shes unquestionably guilty, but it does mean her case has been relatively exhaustively examined (and its not over) and it means that your assertion that you are right and the guilty camp are wrong (and that this should be obvious) is absurdly overplayed. If I see anything that offers a differing opinion or is inaccurate, I think its entirely fair I should say my piece. That is not just a circumstantial case, that is both circumstantial and forensic, and it is pretty air tight. From my point of view, the American police investigations are first hand, and often very poorly done, Ive only seen worse in the British police, which is paradoxical given the laudatory talent of both nationalities, but it is a Scandinavian saying: bigger the mouth, smaller the facts. Keep her murdering ass locked up!!! "Justice would have been the Irving Police Department doing their job," defense attorney Joe Patton said during closing arguments. SHAME ON THEM. Amina Said's mother Patricia Owens Said was not charged with murder. Ive scanned through of all my remarks on this site and nowhere have a seen a single remark that confirms your assertion that Ive been insulting. And I hope I can get down to see her., Were very thankful to know that Patty is alive and well, Smith added. The series was produced by Joe Berlinger, who made the Paradise Lost documentaries, which garnered actor Johnny Depps attention and ultimately helped free the West Memphis Three. Joann Katrinaks Killer Still Has Innocence Advocates(A Woman Scorned, Forensic Files). She only spoke on the phone with him a couple of times a year; when she called that last time, she didnt even know if Andys child was a boy or a girl, and the baby was almost 4 months old. Too many people testified as to the type of person she was. Was Amina Said Mother Patricia Owens Said Charged With Murder? Angry that Joann hung up on her, she stalked her for three days, then broke into her basement and cut the phone line, put a gun to Joanns head as she was placing Alex in the car, and forced her to drive to the rural area. Why would it be an irony for a person to express his opinion? I think Patricias defenders are implying the hair came from some unknown person. The FBI even included a written report to that effect. Nailed? And the fact that Patricia called Andrew even after he married someone else didnt mean she was still carrying a torch for him, according to one of her friends. which makes a complete nonsense of their gun theory. Sure theres DNA, but if she truly is innocent then why not advocate to find the gun. Then you claim this is an opinion. Had there been a switch? It cost me a lot of money, I even put advertisements in the paper down in Puerto Rico looking for her.. "I want to apologize personally for the fact that my husband wasn't a strong enough human being to admit his wrongs and be able to take his rightful punishment willingly," she said. Caledonia County Deputy State's Attorney Kirk Williams read a letter from the Jenkins family to the court during the hearing. However, that first theory very neatly allows the cops to further theorise that the gun she once owned (which had a history of jamming after the first shot) was the one used at the murder. Nobody said bodies were intact. Patricia Kopta left behind a husband and siblings and meandered through northern Puerto Rico for a while before she was taken as a person in need to the adult No Jail Time for Former Corrections Officer and Friend Who Together Breached the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6. Patricia also pointed out that when author Tammy Mal started her research and speaking to me, she was not an advocate at all but she reversed and ended up advocating for Patricias innocence. WebAmina and Sarah Said were murdered by their father Yaser Abdul Said an Egyptian immigrant on January 1st 2008. His favorite rattle, shaped like a phone, lay near the crime scene. Patricia Rorrer: An Update Three Strikes holds dying innocent woman behind bars: Justice for Patricia Wright I am outraged at the rush to judgment displayed by the LAPD, wrote Michelle Alexander, civil rights attorney and author of the influential book, The New Jim Crow. I have never seen anything this egregious., Requests for Proposals and Qualifications, Families to Amend California's Three Strikes (FACTS), life without possibility of parole (LWOP), National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC), What California should do with people convicted of violent felonies, The Folsom 6 who stood up for Yogi are vindicated. I have to wake up every morning with the freedom that God gave me knowing that my sister is incarcerated for life and that my lies put her there, Larry wrote in a letter to the LAPD after he had been freed. Ive found that in nearly every case, those who are firmly of the opinion shes guilty have an extremely limited knowledge of the case theyve watched one (or perhaps more) of the documentaries which make absolutely no attempt to show anything thats in Rorrers favour (theres plenty, if one bothers to look), and worse, revel in exaggerated and speculative scenes, some of which were never even mentioned at her trial. Both were deceased. Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports is also available on YouTube, but it costs $1.99 to view (Keith comes off as an advocate for Patricias innocence on the episode). Her mother, Patricia Chambers, provided day care for their baby son, Charles. Judge Chika Anyiam sentenced Said to life in prison without the possibility of parole. Today, Patricia Lynne Rorrer resides in State Correctional Institute at Muncy, a medium and maximum security facility that has the highest rate of cancer of all prisons in Pennsylvania, according to a story from northcentralpa.com. (A good point. Perhaps she used more than one gun using another/others for the target shooting than the one she killed with (and others shot with her?) After relocating to Pennsylvania, Patricia met the 6-foot-2-inch Andrew in a restaurant. One on one? You know whats interesting? !) and detractors (This is another bs attempt to free a psycho). If her husband was going to do that Im sure he wouldve done it in a totally different way! Your email address will not be published. Check out ALL the facts if you feel the need to comment. Mr Steve J I had five children to take care of and it was costing me so much money to travel two hours Three Strikes holds dying innocent woman behind bars: Justice for Before Said was taken away, he heard two victim impact statements. They did this case on Reasonable Doubt last night. That poor child and that poor woman. Patricia is a evil monster. There was a push for a mistrial, but a 16-year prison sentence was negotiated instead. Crystal Carter is a Bay Area-based reporting fellow with the Center for Media, Crime and Justice in the John Jay College of Criminal Justice at the City University of New York (CUNY). She made Joanne kill the baby PLEASE. At 6 a.m. on June 24, 1997, police arrested Patricia at her modest house in Linwood, North Carolina, and took her back to Pennsylvania. Thank you Kerry. In fact it clearly shows how short you are on all the details surrounding this case. Patricia McCloskey, who menaced the marching crowd with her finger on the trigger of a handgun, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was ordered to pay a Let me simplify this for you in religion, one is taught there is a God. Thank you, this is a very interesting comment. Patricia Search is on. She was falsely convicted of killing her husband when the Los Angeles Police Department reopened a 17-year-old cold case after coercing two witnesses to tape a confession pegging Patricia Wright and family friend Lawrence Slaughter as the killers. You are not expressing an opinion but making an assertion or claim of fact: [I] have absolutely no doubt she was railroaded and wrongfully convicted. You are claiming innocence as fact there is no doubt shes innocent. Owens said Said made her a weak woman but that those days are over. Amina two bullets in the heart.". Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. And its argued that it has been and dismissed as insignificant or irrelevant. A person tried in a court of law and then found guilty is not the be-all and end-all to the case. Wow. in emerging media and communication from the University of Texas at Dallas and an M.S. "Yaser Said, you're a devil. They retested hair from the car in 2008 with updated new technology. . (even though hes married and has a baby) Who does that?!! Said As for an epilogue on ex-flame Andrew Katrinak, he has moved to Colorado and kept a low profile since the trial ended. Sticking to a promise he made before the pair pleaded guilty, the Republican governor announced Tuesday that Mark and Patricia McCloskey were among 12 people granted pardons on Friday. What did the ME report as to the age of the baby? The Worldwide Womens Criminal Justice Networks website also points to a bombshell: In 2015, the Justice Department acknowledged that most of the team members from an FBI microscopic hair comparison unit gave prosecutors flawed data from 1980 to 2000 that could have unjustly contributed to a number convictions including Patricia Rorrers. She likely SUFFOCATED him to get revenge on the babys father who was planning on leaving her. So where they alive somewhere, and if so how could of Patricia, who was questioned, with not one mark on her kill them? You people are fighting a losing cause! Police theorize she owned the gun, but its neither here nor there whether she used a particular gun to kill and would make sense (to a wise perp) that the gun couldnt be linked to her by past activity. I was told they wanted to convict Lawrence Slaughter and not my sister.. Within about seven months of Larry being placed in a maximum-security prison, the LAPD paid him a visit. As for the words exchanged on the call between the two big-haired women, Joann told Andrew that Patricia had used profanity; Patricia said it was the other way around. At the trial, prosecutor Michael McIntyre alleged that Patricia remained obsessed with Andrew Katrinak long after their breakup despite testimony that shed had many boyfriends and live-in lovers to occupy her bandwidth. Some lawyers call microscopic hair analysis junk science that today wouldnt qualify as evidence in a trial like Rorrers. Mark and Patricia McCloskey Owens said because of what Said did, she will never get to see her daughters grow up. This article seems to have a great many errors and omissions, more by design, I fancy, than a need to tell the story objectively. Why not question some of this evidence? This FBI report, of the hairs being unable to yield a DNA result because of the absent root material, was never revealed to Rorrers defence. This woman was obsessed and jealous. (Media sources vary as to whether she actually worked at the stable or just rented a stall there for her own horse.). As for the idiots who didnt think Ms. Rorrer guilty of anything more sordid than having zero taste, the simple fact(s) are that: 1) what they claim about such testing (as was done to the hair) wasexcuse me, IS wrong both due to the follow-up AFTER the mDNA test results were made only proved more concretely that Ms. Rorrer WAS the person the hair came from, 2) the inanity about thinking Andy had something to do with it (the simple fact that ALL investigations START by checking the closest, most immediate relative, i.e, a spouse), was after his being thoroughly vouched, to NOT be in ANY way involved, 3) since this case, forensic science has only improved by huge leaps, and that no one including the courts or the Innocence Project will get involved should make it VERY clear, this case is CLOSED. Youll have to make do with what you see here. guilty Forensic tests suggested the hair found in the car and at the murder scene came from Patricia. Its definitely getting rougher every day, Andrew told the Morning Call. And James Pfeiffer and Jim Burke have remained on her side. 2}Wo).hf}~g={g::y]peb78R,;>59_'cuB F4QyU&9G=#0 So whats your point (other than many people are stupid and you arent)? Then 31 years old, she had lived a rocky existence. She was born on Jan. 24, 1964, in eastern Pennsylvania and moved back and forth between there and Davidson County, North Carolina. And this was never disclosed to Rorrers Defence. Stop trying to prove that everyone who is prosecuted is rightfully prosecuted. Armed homeowners Mark and Patricia McCloskey stood in front of their house in June 2020, confronting protesters who were marching to St. Louis Mayor Lyda Krewson's Former Most-Wanted Fugitive Accused in 2008 Honor Killings of Shame on your for defending a vicious killer. Look into it. Patricia Kopta eventually developed dementia, police said. Judge Richard T. Fields will be presiding over the case and Public Defender Ruby Ramirez will be representing Patricia for the Riverside County Public Defenders Office. Suzanne Pearson fabricated quotes from Patricia including her claim that Patricia said, Im going to the electric chair upon her arrest because a conviction would boost Pearsons career. He took two tests and there was deception detected in BOTH. 2023 NYP Holdings, Inc. 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Ten months after Joann died he murdered another woman (who looks just like her) and her baby, as well. How so? It took jurors about three hours to convict Said for the deaths of his daughters Amina and Sarah in 2008. I attack only those whove considered themselves not only judges on this case, but go on to vent their spleen aimed at a person who in my opinion is innocent of this crime, based on all Ive read and watched without fear of retaliation If they so freely attack someone in the most vicious way, why should they be off limits? I had five children to take care of and it was costing me so much money to travel two hours from Riverside to Los Angeles and sit in court all day, Patricia said. This woman was motivated by an obsession with a man who no longer wanted her. There is no justice for your loved ones when the wrong person is paying for the crime. And while youre on that list, you can be happy in the knowledge youre not in rarefied company. Patricia Kopta Had Been Missing Since 1992. She Was Found in Youre so fixated with her guilt, youre unable to see other factors that show this case to be a disgraceful travesty. Why is this even a question, why people are trying to take out killers into society? Tommy Lynn Sells admitted to killing a 9-10 old boy in Indiana I think and the mom Julie (cant remember her last name) was jailed mainly due to the ex-husband (father of her son) testified and said things that werent true. Re Sells, the problem viz some serial killers is in exaggerating the number as a badge of honour. But unfortunately other than God only two people know exactly what really happened and one is not alive. The author that wrote the book on the Rutier case donates all the funds from that book to freeing Darlie Routier because the jury wasnt shown a lot of evidence of the medical issues Darlie suffered. Pfeiffer and Burke claimed that police Sgt. You ought to acquaint yourself thoroughly with the case and not allow yourself to get any further elevated on your high horse. Im a hunter and in the spring I have found many dead deer that died from starvation or other reasons and the bodies are untouched. Blasczyk said she escaped from East Germany as a teenager when the country was under Communist leadership. I want to keep the tons of old jewelry but Im perplexed. Patricias accusers theorized that she resented Joanns domestic bliss with the tall, athletic Andrew Katrinak. What definition? Unfortunately, most people cant distinguish reality from crackpot nonsense, and theyre only more unlikely to do so, given todays social media. It was winter which are cold in PA and would slow down decomposition and minimize insect activity although you are correct about the rodentswhy were there none? The defense also criticized Irving Police and federal investigators, claiming they did not properly investigate the case or look for other suspects. A correction to the comment above. Whatever the truth is. Im sorry for the distress this awful business must have caused. It says that Andrew Katrinak passed his lie detector test. Yaser Said is accused of killing his two daughters in 2008. Plus, two men, her babys father and his friend, testified they saw Patricia at the line-dancing club the night of the homicide. Sadly, those who defend Rorrer do not want to be confused by the truth. At 17, Patricia dropped out of high school and married landscaper Gary Gabard. They were people that knew her, not Andrew. Trash-talking ex. Its a video on Utube Judges For Justice featuring her case. Ive heard she gets to go out to LUNCH and this broad is in prison for murdering her husband Russ Stager? 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A Pennsylvania woman who went missing more than 30 years ago in a case that stumped authorities who later declared her legally dead has been found living in a nursing home in Puerto Rico. I dont think so. Unlike most people who stayed on the streets all day, she maintained a neat, attractive appearance, wearing makeup and a dress or skirt each day. At that time he was living in Connecticut. Addressing Patricia Prue, Judge Robert Bent said the sentence of life without parole was "fitting" since she was a full participant in the crime. Alfey says that the next thing he knew his mother was being handcuffed and taken to the county jail even though the woman who was showing the model home was given back the stolen property. But I agree with a recent comment.. Why not do a paternity case so just that is done and out of the way. That poor child who grew up with no mom for absolutely no reason. Clifford Freeman, since you are already at the top of the list of deluded people not much room left for anyone with an oversized ego such as you apparently have!! Are you even aware there are judges, eminent writers, lawyers and TV personalities and countless other ordinary people all of whom steadfastly support her as being innocent and wrongly convicted. CHOOSE1s Three Strikes Reform Act needs 500,000 signatures by July 17 to make the November ballot, CHOOSE1 files new initiative to reform Californias Three Strikes law, The First Friday doc premieres this week at the New Parkway. Joanns gun and beating wounds were obvious, but the baby died a less violent (but just as horrible) death with no clear signs. Rorrers defenders remind me of a case in my home town There was a killer who confessed, was caught on video committing the murder and was seen committing the crime by an eye witness. At one point Interpol had an extremely similar case in which an individual convinced a friend, who had been his sexual partner several times in the past, to kill the woman he had a baby with, on the grounds that the child is not his and he does not love her but cannot leave because everyone would accuse him of abandoning his child and his family name would be affected. But otherwise, extremely similar, a single bullet fired into the head, the woman later beaten to make sure she died, the hair, which had remained in the bracelet of our victim in this case, the way it was executed outside the house in a wooded area, at the command of the gentleman who did not want to soil his house, and the child who in our case was abandoned in the car. Amina Said Mother Patricia Owens Said Charged With The fact that Joanne was found with a hair clutched in her hand that was inconsistent with both her and Patricia (that they conveniently didnt bother to test). He tried to claim someone else murdered them and that the night his daughters were killed someone was following them. Yet, you have a story like Darlie Rutier who supposedly stabbed herself seriously enough that was centimeters from her carotid artery, yet this woman is in prison still? Hate Crimes Prevention Act and 45 counts of using a firearm The fact that there is LITERALLY NO EVIDENCE that Patricia was actually obsessed with Andy; they spoke as friends maybe twice a year. She also will never get to see them get married. Andrew described his existence with Joanne and Alex as a little Camelot., Ex-spouse off list. Catherine Im in complete agreement with you! They depict scenes which are pure speculation or exaggeration or present scenes, which in fact were only theories mentioned at her trial. Amina was 18 years old and was shot two times and Sarah was 17 The couple was not allowed to have contact during court proceedings.

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